Category Payouts

[Ft. Myers Conquistadors]

What say you

[Deleted]

I'm confused. I thought, but I could be wrong, that we already voted on this. IF we have, then why the re-vote? Or are we to keep re-voting until those who want to do away with this finally win?

Are you all so money-happy that giving someone who is doing poorly a reason to TRY to win each week is not worth giving up a little cash at the end? Is it not enough that we voted to jump the cost from 75 to 120 to give bigger payouts to the winners? (And since I do intend to win this year, I am arguing to give up a little bit of cash.)

Anyway, IF we did not really vote on this, then I vote emphatically to keep that category payout. If we did already vote, then I object to this re-vote as being unnecessary.

[Ft. Myers Conquistadors]

I don't know if we did or not. We've had so many topics to discuss I'm losing track of what is what. If you want to find the poll/thread on the old site, I will be very happy to take this down. And I wouldn't say rewarding the best teams is synonymous with being money-hungry.

Quick edit: We have not voted to pay only the top winners, I simply created my own proposal in a thread designated for anyone to create their own payout proposals. If you disagree what ive put out there, by all means draw one up as well, that is what the thread is intended for.

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Well, technically, I said money-happy, not money-hungry. lol I purposely did not say money-hungry because that was too strong for what I wanted to get across. Money-happy wasn't exactly right either, but I was having trouble coming up with exactly the words to express my thoughts. I certainly did not intend to disparage or suggest that anyone voting to eliminate the payout was being greedy, after all, we all want to win, and certainly the money is at least part of why we want to win.

Apologies to anyone offended by how I put it. But the sentiment remains that I think it is a good thing to have the category payout on a couple of different levels. And while I seriously doubt anyone would have really quit the league due to this being eliminated, by changing this now we pretty much have changed something that may have factored into someone's decision to stay. We've already jumped the fee by $45, why eliminate a category payout. The time to really vote on that is before people need to decide to either stay or go.


Note: Please do not take this to mean I would not have returned had this previously been eliminated. I'm not that easy to get rid of and frankly, the small payout I would get if you all are lucky enough to beat me again this year is not exactly going to make me financially secure.

[Oregon Three Lions of Madison]

I am with Wayne on this, especially with the increase in league fees. To me this gives everyone a little taste for their efforts because this is a time consuming league. It is also a smaller percentage of the payout that really doesn't hugely effect paying other areas. Part of my thought there is that I don't think just making the playoffs is worth paying out. I don't necessarily care how this shakes out, but I would say I would feel even stronger about this if we are taking it away so that the top 8 can be paid out. A dynasty league is obviously unlike traditional leagues and teams from time to time will find them in a "rebuilding" mode, so the payouts shouldn't be looked at like a traditional league as well. Just my thoughts.

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As a newbie, here's my thoughts:

1) it gives teams that are out of it something to look forward to. Frankly, I think it's a good idea.
2) you're still getting paid a good amount for winning it all, especially after raising the cost.
3) with me personally, I'm in it for the fun of it. My dad is covering my cost because of health issues. I feel bad as it is that he's willing to pay even though he doesn't mind. At least I know he'll get some of his money back pretty much no matter what.
4) like Andy said, teams will be in rebuilding mode with this being a dynasty league. Some teams may go through 2-3 years without winning because they're in rebuilding mode. Although I am Expecting to win every year. SORRY DAD. Lol. But for those teams that are in a small rebuild, that's pretty much saying they're out with 120 every year with no shot at getting any of it back or getting any type of discount next year. It might not be much they get but like others have said, it could be the difference whether or not people decide to leave because they can no longer afford the cost. People are less likely to leave if they get something back (discount for next year).

[Deleted]

Wait Jerry, are you telling me I'm gonna get some of my money back? I was gonna be kind and let you keep any of the category money you won, but if I'm getting that back (are you really saying you are not expecting to win?) then I definitely vote to keep the payout.

Ooops, just read your point 4. So you are expecting to win. My faith is restored in you.  So, would now be a good time to go back to that Pete Rose hall of fame discussion we were having earlier.  You know, now that you are agreeing with me on stuff.

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No, still don't agree on the Pete Rose discussion. Lol. Wait, I thought we settled that. Are you telling me we didn't?

Anyway, here's how I see it. Teams are gonna lose, more than win. Chances of anyone coming in 1st every year or winning the division every year (except for me, of course) are very slim because of injuries or the fact that most teams are stacked with the best players. This can be point 5.

Ps. Yes dad, I thought it was settled you were getting some money back. I'm expecting you to get it all back because I'm winning it all even with Doolittle not being ready for the start of the season. This will be a fun year. Lol

[San Fran Earthquakes]

We had a discussion on it, but never voted. The payments for categories does not provide any incentive to keep involved over the course of the season which was the original intent. Its effectively the same to lowering the fees and just giving it to the top 3. If everyone is going to get money back, let's just go back to the lower league dues and just give it to the top 3. Maybe its just me, but if your in rebuild mode for a few years, the payoff is when you do start winning and win back some of that money. That's the incentive.

But if I had to choose, the category payouts is better than paying everyone that makes the playoffs. That seems completely unnecessary.

[Oregon Three Lions of Madison]

We aren't talking big dollars here. I don't remember exactly, but even a great year nets you $20 maybe. For that reason I really don't care. Maybe this type of payout is no incentive for guys to be more involved, and maybe it wouldn't help with getting new owners in. When I look at the breakdown Ryan posted, though, I said why not keep it. The payouts for the top spots have tripled from what they were in the 2 previous years, and I don't really think taking the $300+ cat money and adding it to the other payouts is all that significant.

I am with you, Chad, in the fact that if we drop the category payouts I think the money should go to pumping the division winners and top 3.

I would also not be opposed to taking that money and giving it to Whitney if he can complete the MLB auction without going over the 90 mil salary cap.

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Hmm, now the idea of rewarding Whitney for staying under the cap might not be a bad idea. I could almost get behind that one.

I do agree that the payout is indeed minimal, and I certainly would not fuss whether it is kept or discarded. But since the total $ amount given out this way is so minimal, why take this minimal amount and increase champion winnings by this "minimal" amount?

Anyway, I think I've made the point I wanted to make, so I'll put this thread behind me now. Whichever way it goes is fine by me. I'm here for the fun of playing, and that is worth the $120 to me whether I win, lose, get a payout or not.

But we really should give the Whitney reward some thought.

[Deleted]

My issue was that the payouts for the categories was so low it was insignificant($15-20 per team) and that does not seem like enough of a difference to keep people motivated and really was just a hassle for the commish to figure out who got what and then have to make payouts to almost every team instead of those who really just won. Maybe we should increase the ammount by the percentage that the league fee went up. I did nto think we were $75 last year, wasn't it 50 or 60

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the $15-20 added up to almost $400 though which would be better used for winners imo

[Oregon Three Lions of Madison]

Interesting thought Ted. It looks like either way this poll goes we will have a little more work to do in finalizing the exact payouts. I think last year the league fee was $67.50 in which $7.50 of that went towards the website and $60 went towards the payouts.

[Deleted]

So based on the poll being 10-9 to keep payouts even if the last person votes to get rid of them I assume a tie would keep the rule the same, so I guess we are keeping payouts, still seems to dilute things imo. With that said are we going to discuss the amount of the payouts to be different since we increased the entry fee it would seem to make sense to increase these payouts?