International minor league eligibles

[Oregon Three Lions of Madison]

I am going to add this to our constitution. Hopefully I can make this clear.

****When it comes to international players if they have played in parts of at least two minor league seasons here in the states they are also eligible for the minor league draft.****

We felt the need to add this because there are players that come over that would be only eligible for our MLB auction per our rules that spend a good deal of time in the minor leagues. An example--Dariel Alvarez who is an OF prospect for Baltimore. He came to the U.S. as an unrestricted free agent in 2013 which would make him only eligible for our auction. He has spent the last 3 seasons in the minor leagues. This new rule allows him to be drafted in our minor league draft where he should be.

[Lehigh Valley Bashers]

so....Moncada & Hyan Soo Kim are set for major league draft, but J Herrera, C, ARI signed in 2013 is now eligible for minor league draft???

(My brain hurts)

[Oregon Three Lions of Madison]

Moncada is minor league eligible. Anyone like him(Moncada) who comes in as an amateur can always be drafted in the minor league draft until they go over 130 AB/50 innings. Kim didn't come to MLB as an amateur so he does have to go into the auction this year.

If for some Kim doesn't get bid on this year or next in our offseason auction, and he stays under 130 MLB at bats he could be taken as a minor leaguer two years from now.

We added this new part to the rule for unheralded guys that come in as unrestricted free agents like Dariel Alvarez. Some may think he is worth a roster spot, but no one would pay for him in the auction. He has spent almost his entire time in the U.S. in the minor leagues. If a guy who is eligible for our auction doesn't get bid on and spends MORE than one full season in the minors we feel they should be eligible for the offseason minor league draft.

Hope that helps.

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Ok, I am trying to wrap my brain around this and here is what I am thinking we are talking about. Simply put, if the signee counts toward a team's bonus pool money (signee's normally announced in mid season or there abouts) then they are eligible for the rule 5 draft. Player's typically signed out of Korea, Japan and Cuba would not be eligible for the rule 5 draft unless they played at least the previous season in the minors and still have minor league eligibility in our league. Any of these players could be bid on during our auction and given major league contracts which would begin immediately, even if they started the year in the minors in real life. (ie a five year contract would begin with the 2016 season for us, even if the player is placed in the minors in real life. Thus he is treated like any other auctioned player.)

Moncada is thus rule 5 eligible while Kim and Park (Minn), etc. are only eligible to be bid upon during the auction.

Is this the gist of it?

[Oregon Three Lions of Madison]

That's the gist. The only thing I may have read wrong in your post about playing the previous season in the minors. A player would have to have stats(played) in at least parts of 2 minor league seasons and be under the AB/IP limits. This effects so few guys I don't want anyone to overthink this one. We added the rule because if a guy has spent multiple years in the minor leagues(and remained under the ab/ip limits), but came into the league as a free agent(not part of the July 2nd International signing) he should be able to be drafted as a minor leaguer.

Almost everyone that comes from Japan will be MLB eligible only because in almost every circumstance they play at home too long to be considered amateurs here. Taiwan and Korea are similar, but there are some that come over as youngsters. Cuba is the one that needs most of the monitoring right now, because so many are coming into the league. Because it is easier to leave many more very young guys are fleeing the island.

July 2nd is the international signing date. Almost all Latin American players are announced at or around this time, so it is easy to tell with them. Cuban players however have "hoops" to jump through to be eligible to sign. Thus, you see Cuban signings throughout the year. That doesn't mean that they don't enter as July 2nd International signings.

Please ask me if you have specific questions on particular players. I want to stress again again though...at this time if you read the blurb about a player signing in every case I've seen it is announced if he counts against the teams international bonus pools. This is the absolute easiest way of telling what the player is eligible for in our league.

My cell number is in the contact section. If you think it would be beneficial to hear it rather than read it you can hit me up.

[Lehigh Valley Bashers]

I don't have enough cellphone mins to call....based on above then Maeda is Major League Auction.

Still don't get Moncada, as he counted towards bonus pool, so doesn't that mean he can't be in minor league auction, except he wasn't a pro???

The is more complex than the new offside rule in soccer....

[Oregon Three Lions of Madison]

Right on Maeda Hanks. The second part...If the player counts towards a teams bonus pool they are eligible for our minor league draft because they are considered an amateur by MLB. All of the teenagers that are signed out of Latin America count towards a MLB teams bonus pool. Because of his age and experience Moncada(in this case) was grouped in with those teenagers when he entered the league. He didn't enter MLB like Jose Abreu, Rusney Castillo or Hector Olivera to name a few Cubans, or like Maeda, Darvish or Tanaka to name a few Japanese players. Those guys were free to sign as professional free agents. I am talking to much, and don't understand the new offside rules either.

Eligible for our minor league draft---if the player in question counts against an MLB teams July 2nd International signing period bonus pool, because if he does he is considered an amateur.

Eligible for our MLB auction--if the player enters the MLB as a professional. Japanese and Korean professional players have to enter through the posting process. All others are free to sign with anyone just as if they were a regular MLB free agent.

In trying to simplify it I seem to making it more confusing. My apologies for that.

This is also new for this offseason. Previously all the guys in question were available in the minor league draft. The league voted to end that.

[Phoenix Rising]

Is there anyway you guys can let Moncada fall to #11...

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If he is available at number 3, hit me up. I'll consider trading that pick away. lol

[Phoenix Rising]

Deal

[Oregon Three Lions of Madison]

So everyone knows...the Dodgers recent signee Yadiel Sierra will be available in this years auction. I have seen reports that he is 24 or maybe just turned 25. In any case that is irrelevant because he has pitched in the Cuban professional league for 7 season. With that he enters the MLB as a professional free agent rather than an amateur. We follow MLB's rules on this so he enters DOBL as a professional as well, and thus he is only available for our auction.

****Disclaimer: This next part is a hypothetical example based on the eligibility of Yadiel Sierra mentioned above. It is an attempt to clear up the minor caveat we added to our rules****
       ****Read at your own risk****

1) If no one grabs Sierra in the MLB auction this offseason he will again be available only for our MLB auction during next years offseason as well. 2) If for any reason he doesn't get picked up in this years auction AND next years offseason MLB auction AND he remains under the 50 innings pitch threshold he WOULD be eligible for the minor league draft in two offseasons from now. This is because we added the rule that if a player that was formerly only auction eligible plays in at least parts of two minor league seasons he would then become minor league eligible in DOBL.

[Oregon Three Lions of Madison]

Another recent example. Alfredo Rodriguez(a Cuban) signed with the Reds yesterday. Rodriguez is minor league eligible because he is under the age max(he is 21) and has less than the max of foreign professional experience(he played one year of pro ball in Cuba). Thus, he is considered an amateur by MLB, and us as well because we abide by the MLB rule.

However, he wasn't signed when our draft started so he isn't eligible to be taken in the current draft. Assuming that he stays under the MLB AB limit of 130 this year he would be eligible for our offseason minor league draft next offseason.

Of course anyone could nab him in the auction this offseason if they wanted to. That goes for any minor leaguer that isn't rostered by a DOBL club.

[Lehigh Valley Bashers]

Thanks for that clarification!!!!