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Post by Oregon Three Lions of Madison on Oct 20, 2015 19:39:39 GMT
Do we wat to make the roster lock time 5 minutes before each players game? We currently have it 5 minutes before the start of the first game of the day.
We have discussed this before. The positive most stated with a change was it is a benefit because on the days when there is only one or a couple early games you can be more certain about who is playing in the later games and start/sit accordingly.
The major downside I remember is that you will have situations where someone can sit a guy they would have normally played in the Sunday night game based off of the current matchup's stats if that player can only do harm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 22:22:47 GMT
That is strategy not a downside
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Post by Ft. Myers Conquistadors on Oct 22, 2015 14:50:01 GMT
Only if you're lucky enough to have someone in the Sunday night game and your opponent does not. How is that strategy?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 15:06:41 GMT
It is no different then holding guys out of your lineup on Sunday morning when you have a lead. It is strategic in terms of knowing where you stand in your match ups and what can help or hurt you. In my mind this is the essence of H2H roto, you base your decisions on your match up, otherwise why not just have weekly lineups and hope for the best. If I were leading Homeruns and close in stolen bases I would bench my power guys and play my speed guys, or if I were winning ERA and WHIP i would potentially bench pitchers to lock those categories, it really is no different.
Even if you do not agree with my argument the mere fact that we need to guess on lineups when the Cubs play 1:00 games and we do not know what will happen in the night games for lineups is reason enough imo, other then paying out categories this is the single most annoying part of our rules.
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Post by Ft. Myers Conquistadors on Oct 22, 2015 15:40:10 GMT
We'll agree to disagree
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 15:52:14 GMT
sure no problem, I am just surprised people would vote against something that is an every day convenience versus something that may happen to them once or twice a year if that. Odd
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Post by Oregon Three Lions of Madison on Oct 22, 2015 16:03:46 GMT
I am in favor of the later lock times, but Ted I have to agree with Ryan here. It doesn't take any strategy whatsoever to sit a guy that can only lose you runs in your matchup. It's more common sense. If all offensive categories are decided except I have a very slight lead in AVG and OPS and I have a guy left to play and my opponent doesn't I am going to sit him to ensure the extra two categories. There is no real decision to be made. Your example isn't really apples to apples. Your Roto example does happen in this league during the week based on what you need to win. If I am down 1 SB and am comfortable elsewhere I am going to try and throw out my best lineup that can get me some steels, but it isn't something that applies to the the specific example that was stated as a "negative".
It can be a big pain trying to find as much info as you can at 1 pm to decide who you are going to start for the evening. That is why I agree with your second paragraph. To me the benefits of being able to have more info for making my daily lineup outweighs the "negative" of possibly losing a run or two from time to time during the season.
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Post by Oregon Three Lions of Madison on Oct 22, 2015 18:29:00 GMT
Thinking about it more I really don't see the Sunday night thing as a major issue. I could be wrong because I have never done a league like that on Fantrax, but thinking about football leagues on ESPN once a players game starts that player is locked. I would think it's the same on Fantrax. With that it would be very difficult to sub out a hitter. You would have to have a player eligible at the same position that is not playing in the Sunday night game. You can't have more than 6 bench players at a time, so just moving a guy to the bench will cause an illegal lineup. On the pitching side you would still need to have another bench pitcher that is on one of the Sunday night teams in order to get the pitcher out of your lineup. Again, don't know how it functionally works on Fantrax, but if that is correct I definitely think changing the lock times is the way to go.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 18:48:04 GMT
I guess I am not exclusively looking at Sunday night, but at lineups as a whole, there were a few times where i decided to bench pitchers on Saturday/Sunday as it could only hurt me, and there were also time I benched pitchers and it could of hurt me but I felt the potential reward was not worth the risk of losing other categories that I was ahead in so I benched them anyway, certainly that is more strategic then the Sunday night example which I would tend to lump in with my above examples, but I will concede that it is less strategic and more of a no brainer, at the same time I am not sure why that is an issue, if you have the roster flexibility to pull it off then have at it, i would rather have a choice then not.
With that said, my main goal would be to have the option to swap a guy out at 6:30 when I find out he is not in lineup and not have him locked in there, this by far outweighs the downside of the Sunday nioght thing, but based on votes so far most do not see it that way,which is disappointing.
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Post by Oregon Three Lions of Madison on Oct 22, 2015 19:36:26 GMT
I gotcha and I am with you. Having to have rosters set early in the day is maddening a lot of times, especially if I'm busy and can't give it a once over that day and am relying on what I did the night before. I would much rather have the lock times 5 minutes before each game.
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Post by Ft. Myers Conquistadors on Oct 22, 2015 21:59:21 GMT
The Sunday night issue is the only reason I'm against you guys. I think we've all been screwed over by not noticing a day game but this isn't football where a lot of guys are game time decisions so lineup changes are minimal day of. This one doesn't bother me as much as it did in the past so I'd be fine if it is changed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 0:15:48 GMT
I'm 100% with Ted on this -- hell make it 110%. We have an innings minimum and if I make that and want to adjust my roster to maximize my chances to win a category, I see that as a part of the strategy. Also maybe it's just my imagination, but it seems as if MLB is scheduling more one-off day games when the rest of the teams play in the evening. I really hate not having the flexibility to swap out a player that is not starting. (At least I won't have to worry about Mattingly's crazy lineup management next year!)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 11:35:34 GMT
I always knew Albany was a smart man
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 20:07:46 GMT
I originally vehemently disagreed with Ryan when he and Kevin had a disagreement about this earlier in the season. I had never played in a league that locked at the first game of the day. But, I've come around to his side on this. Any monkey can check the lineups as they come out and adjust their lineups accordingly right up until individual game times (and that's fine. Most leagues are like this). But, I found the challenge of setting a lineup with incomplete information to be kinda fun. It's not rocket science to figure out who is likely to be in the lineup on any given night based on SP handedness, weather, schedules, etc. But, it does add some strategy and intrigue. And there's definitely an edge there for those that are locked in. Plus, it helps me in my other leagues and in DFS because I've done the research early and am on top of it rather than just logging in at 6:55pm EST and checking official lineups. Of course, this causes a little pain when guys are unexpectedly not in the lineup. But, I think it's fun.
As for Sunday night, I think the skill in fantasy is being predictive and having a successful model. Make the right predictive decision at 12:55 EST on Sunday and get rewarded. Why should you be able to make decisions with more complete data than another team just because of scheduling/sequencing?
I'm good either way and am probably giving it way too much thought. But, my vote is status quo here.
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Post by San Fran Earthquakes on Oct 23, 2015 20:26:16 GMT
I'm in favor of the later lock times. My issue is that by being on the West Coast, if I'm busy in the morning and can't set my lineup it can be a very early lock (10 am). If I forgot to set my lineup the night before, I'm screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 20:30:16 GMT
For sure. I hear ya. But, you west coasters get 9am college football, 10am NFL, MLB/NBA on your ride home from work, and have all the games out of the way by 10pm! Which I consider fantastic. So, fuck you guys. Kidding  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 21:32:46 GMT
I vote to lock lineups before each individual game, not before first game of the day
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 22:01:46 GMT
Another (stupid, overthought) point, why should a team get the option of benching Trumbo just because his game starts at 9:40 to avoid killing their average because they no longer need his homers because one of their guys hit 3 bombs at 7:00? Rather than teams operating with more information due to randomness (start times of guys on their roster), everyone starts with the same info/data by locking at 1pm. Hypothetically, a guy with a roster full of west coast players could have a small edge over a guy with a bunch of east coasters. This is stupid and I know no one builds their roster this way, but small edges are what this is all about. And if edges are to be gained, I think we should all deal with the same set of info.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 22:02:38 GMT
This probably sounds like I'm really fired up about this. Not my intention. I'm not really.
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